This is one of the most unfiltered conversations we have ever had on a podcast.
When Chase and Mimi of The Medicin Podcast invited us to talk about sexual desire, turn-on, and spiritual intimacy, they gave us the space to go where most interviews do not. The result is a conversation that covers what it actually looks like to reclaim desire as a couple, to stop sanitizing sexuality in the name of spirituality, and to develop the kind of intimacy that is both raw and sacred at the same time.
What This Conversation Covers
We start with the tension that most couples in the spiritual and personal growth space carry: the belief that being “evolved” means transcending desire rather than mastering it. This is one of the most damaging misunderstandings in modern relationship culture. Desire is not the obstacle to spiritual depth. It is the doorway. The Yoga of Intimacy teaches that a masterful lover is a Firekeeper: someone who has learned to wield desire’s power to bond rather than break.
The conversation moves into what it means to embrace sexual turn-on as a practice rather than something that should happen naturally or be suppressed. Londin shares what it means for a woman to stop managing her desire and start letting her body lead. Justin talks about the difference between chasing sensation and holding genuine presence while desire moves through the body.
We also discuss the real dynamics of our relationship: what it looks like to parent, run a business, write books, and still show up for each other as lovers. Not in theory. In practice. Every night. The conversation addresses how couples navigate the places where real life and erotic life collide, and why most couples unconsciously choose comfort over fire because fire requires a kind of courage that comfort does not.
If this conversation resonates and you want to go deeper, our book Playing With Fire contains the complete teaching. For couples who want to practice live, our monthly Couples Practice Evening on the first Friday of every month is where the real work happens.
Listen to this episode: Apple Podcasts
Frequently Asked Questions
What does “playing with fire” mean in the context of intimacy?
Fire is a metaphor for sexual desire. Most people either suppress it (and their relationship goes cold) or let it burn recklessly (and it destroys trust). A Firekeeper is someone who has learned to hold desire skillfully: to wield its power to bond rather than break. This is the central teaching of Playing With Fire and the foundation of the Yoga of Intimacy path.
Is sacred sexuality the same as tantra?
No. While both traditions recognize sexuality as a path to deeper awareness, the Yoga of Intimacy is a contemporary practice developed by Justin Patrick Pierce and Londin Angel Winters. It draws from yogic philosophy and nondual recognition rather than ritual or ceremony. The emphasis is on practical, body-based partner practices that couples can do in their own homes.
How do you keep desire alive when you are also co-parenting and running a business?
By making intimacy a practice rather than something you wait to feel. Justin and Londin teach that desire responds to how you show up, not to how busy or tired you are. The Seven Scales of Sexual Desire offer a framework for understanding what sustains desire across every stage of life, including the busiest seasons of parenting and work.
What is the difference between chasing sensation and holding presence with desire?
Chasing sensation is using your partner’s body to get somewhere: an orgasm, a release, a temporary high. Holding presence with desire means staying fully aware while the body opens and energy moves. This is the Alpha capacity: the ability to remain as consciousness while the Omega’s radiance, feeling, and aliveness fill the space between you. It is the foundation of every practice in the Yoga of Intimacy.
Experience the work for yourself.
3 guided practices + a free 90-minute masterclass. Start tonight.
Get 3 Free Practices